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RE: [Full-disclosure] Microsoft's Binary Planting Clean-Up Mission



Hi Adam, 

I'm afraid you don't fully understand the issue. This is not about placing your own
DLL on a local machine so that a chosen application will load it (i.e., user
"attacking" an application on his own computer). It is about an application running
on your computer silently grabbing a malicious DLL from attacker-controlled location
- possibly on a remote share - and executing its code (i.e., attacker with zero
privileges on user's computer executing code on that computer).

I hope this helps a little.

Cheers,
Mitja


> -----Original Message-----
> From: iarethebest@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:iarethebest@xxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of adam
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:26 PM
> To: Thor (Hammer of God)
> Cc: security@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Christian Sciberras; 
> full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; bugtraq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Microsoft's Binary Planting 
> Clean-Up Mission
> 
> Plus: pretending that you're on the same page as Microsoft 
> (from a security standpoint) to further your own argument is 
> more damaging than it is beneficial. The entire "binary 
> planting" concept was flawed from the very beginning. If you 
> can drop a binary file on a user's machine - make it an 
> executable and be done with it. There's nothing fancy or 
> innovative about forcing applications to use specific DLLs - 
> script kiddies have been doing it for over 10 years to inject 
> custom code in multiplayer games. 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) 
> <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> 
> 	I'm curious.  Who is your contact at MSFT?  Who is it 
> that has told you they have a "Binary Planting Clean-up 
> Mission" and where do they mention you as having anything to 
> do with it?
> 	
> 	If you are going to claim MSFT's actions as substantive 
> to your agenda, how about provide some details?
> 	
> 	t
> 	
> 	> -----Original Message-----
> 	> From: ACROS Security Lists [mailto:lists@xxxxxxxx]
> 	> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 1:41 PM
> 	> To: 'Christian Sciberras'
> 	> Cc: Thor (Hammer of God); full-disclosure@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> 	> bugtraq@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 	
> 	> Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Microsoft's Binary 
> Planting Clean-Up Mission
> 	>
> 	
> 	> Hey Chris,
> 	>
> 	> > I bet Microsoft actually like stating they just 
> fixed yet another
> 	> > severe bug.
> 	> > Zero-day fixing is big business, you know....even if "zero"
> 	> > is past a few "days".
> 	>
> 	> I don't think Microsoft gains much from being able to 
> say they fixed yet
> 	> another bug
> 	> - maybe if it were a bug they found internally and 
> fixed proactively, but not
> 	> like this. And I'm sure they'd rather be doing 
> something else than fixing:
> 	> fixing a product costs a lot, and it generates no revenue.
> 	>
> 	> Cheers,
> 	> Mitja
> 	
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