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Re: [Full-disclosure] Apache suEXEC privilege elevation / information disclosure

Am 10.08.2013 16:52, schrieb Tobias Kreidl:
> It is for this specific reason that utilities like suPHP can be used as a powerful tool to at least keep the
> account user from shooting anyone but him/herself in the foot because of any configuration or broken security
> issues. Allowing suexec to anyone but a seasoned, responsible admin is IMO a recipe for disaster.

and what makes you believe that a developer can not be a "seasoned, responsible admin"?
bullshit, many of the "seasoned, responsible admins" which are only admins are unable
to really understand the implications of whatever config they rollout

> On 8/10/2013 7:25 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 10.08.2013 12:10, schrieb Gichuki John Chuksjonia:
>>> One thing u gotta remember most of the Admins who handle webservers in
>>> a network are also developers since most of the organizations will
>>> always need to cut on expenses, and as we know, most of the developers
>>> will just look into finishing work and making it work. So if something
>>> doesn't run due to httpd.conf, you will find these guys loosening
>>> server security, therefore opening holes to the infrastructure.
>> i am one of the developers who are admin
>> why?
>> because maintaining servers where only internal developed
>> software gives you the power to make security as tighten
>> as possible - and yes security is *always* first
>> not the admins which are developers are the problem
>> crap like wordpress, joomla, phpBB is the problem because
>> these developers have no idea how to secure maintain a
>> server and try to develop software which can be installed
>> by any random fool on whatever webserver without understand
>> the implications
>> thats's why these applications are *strictly* forbidden
>> on any machine i am responsible for, it's enough to write
>> abuse mails each time one of these installations outside
>> got hacked and is starting attacks on 3rd parties


Reindl Harald
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